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Study and Teach Fine Art Techniques Charcoal and Pencil Drawings - Techniques by J.D. Hillberry Topic #289
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mz maniac click here to view user rating
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Dec-23-02, 08:25 AM ()
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"Having a few problems"
 
Hi everyone, its been a while since I've posted a message but I've still been checking in every day. Everybody's been doing such great work. I have been so busy doing pictures for christmas. One of the problems I'm having is that all my friends want pictures done for gifts of some kind but everyone wants them for free. How do you start getting your friends to pay?????

Next question is , my drawing was improving ALOT and i had a little break then I had all these drawings to do and it just isn't happening. I thought it was the workload, I dont think i rushed it , I thought it was the pressure factor so I drew something else just for my own portfolio but it still didnt work, I just don't know. Maybe you guys could give me a few ideas ? I would appreciate it .
Thanks
Jenni
P.S Merry Christmas to everyone from the land downunder.
P.P.S J.D I finally got your book (after 3 long long months) it was absolutely awesome. My fiance calls it my bible and teases me about how many times I show it to people . LOL

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Bill_Johnston
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Dec-23-02, 10:16 AM ()
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1. "RE: Having a few problems"
 
   Hi Jenni, I have had similar problems to the one you are having now. I can only tell you how I get through it and hope that it in some way helps you. My problem was (is still to a degree) that I placed unrealistic expectations on myself, and then I beat myself up if I didn't live up to my own expectations. This resulted in about a 10-year break from drawing. I finally decided to just draw and not worry about what my drawings looked like - the important thing for me now is just to keep drawing.

My suggestion is that you just keep drawing and don't compare your work to earlier drawings. I'll bet other people think your drawings are much better than you think they are anyway.

Bill


 
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2. "RE: Having a few problems"
 
Hello Jenni ..i know what you are saying too.
sometimes i just see a picture that looks really cool and ill sit down to draw it just mainly for practice,...but the only ones im happy with are the ones when i tell myself that im going to slow down to a snails pace and try to do my very best.
i dont get very much done ,..but i usually like the small parts that i finish so much that it inspires me to slow down even more.
i drew a girl sitting at a piano that took a few days and a lot of hours,and even today its better then a lot of stuff i do,
i have to look at it once in a while to remember how much time i had into it once in a while...to slow myself down
Take Care and Merry Christmas
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3. "RE: Having a few problems"
 
Thanks alot for your advice, you are both right. People do think my drawings are better than I do . You were also right about feeling good about the small parts done when I'm going slow. I never thought that i was placing unrealistic expectations on myself , but you are right I think I am. I did a fantastic drawing that everyone just wowed over (even me) and I have expected every drawing to be the same. I will post it here later on today and show you what I mean .

I have decided after christmas that I am going to slow down and just do some drawings for me and not expect too much, go back to just drawing for the enjoyment and see what happens.
Thanks alot guys and have a great christmas!!

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Dec-23-02, 09:07 PM ()
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4. "RE: Having a few problems"
 
I've had the same problem this Christmas, and now that I've finished with the Christmas rush I'm really thinking about what I'm drawing and I'm getting better results. I think it's all just a mental thing, now when I think, okay this is an eye, it starts looking like an eye rather than shapes that aren't really fitting together. I was trying to concentrate to much and it ruined my drawings, so I'm relaxing back into it.
Probably doesn't make much sense to anyone else....
Merry Christmas to all, I hope your day is a magical and enjoyable one.
(mz, didn't know you were from down under too )


 
Phil
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Dec-23-02, 09:30 PM ()
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5. "RE: Having a few problems"
 
Jenni

Believe it or not this is someting that has been on my mind for the past couple of weeks or so. I think this is a real problem for most, if not all of us at some stage, trying to keep things new, fresh and exciting, trying to keep the drive and burning passion going.

Bill and yourself have got a good point about unrealistic expectations. We want to improve and set ouselves subconcious goals and when we don't hit them, we tend to lose heart and start to wonder. Like anything in life that is new the gains at first are tremendous but the more we learn, and the better we get, the more those gains seem to slow down and the harder it is to see them. They are still there, belive me, just not so obvious. At first you where learning the craft, you are now most probably at the stage where you are honing it, something that will go on forever.

I think it's also true we don't think we are as good as others think we are, I most certainly fall into that category. Speaking for myself I am pretty insecure when it comes to criticim both bad and good. If its bad I fall to pieces, if its good I sort of half believe it but cant quite understand why anyone would think it's good, if that makes any sort of sence. Although when I look back at some of my stuff I have'nt seen for a while, I do think it's good, Screwed up or what I guess my sense of self belief needs working on

You are certainly not alone in what you are going through, there are 2 of us at least

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6. "RE: Having a few problems"
 
oops. sorry about that.

like i said, i gave my friends one freebie, especially the ones that know more people, i did their houses, only requesting in return that they talk me up and give info to anyone that seemed (even remotely) interested. ive started to get a couple calls, and a few cocktail conversations, about doing such things for others. in those conversations i give a price list, as if its written in stone and ive been doing it all my life.

the free stuf youve done so far will pay off as advertising. just say one day, like tomorrow, anything i do from now on i want at least $x per hour, and preferaby $y.

take a look at some pencil price lists and shave 1520% off since youre still an amateur, and shave 50% off for "friend" prices

good luck

jai guru deva om




 
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7. "RE: Having a few problems"
 
Hey Jenni,
I agree about the high expectations on your self, I think that happens to us all, sometimes it just gets in the way of enjoying our art making.
We seem to reach a platuea, of achievement and remain there for an irritating length of time, and this seems to be when a lot will give up, you have to persevere, you will get above the current platuea and move on.
Also with your drawing, sometimes an eye is not an eye, you have to stop thinking about the thing and SEE the shape, how it curves, light and shadow, even take the image and turn the page upside down, as well as your reference photo, if you are using one, this helps to just draw what you see, not draw what you think is there.
Make out a price list, sit and think about it, write it up in word or publisher, which ever program you have, and print out several copies, hand them around, saying this is your work, these are your prices, as you improve your prices will too, I do understand about pressure from people close to you, I've done quiet a bit of free artwork, especially for clubs that I belong to.
I hope this will be of some help.
Lynne

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Nature is not something that can be seen by the eye alone- it lies also within the soul, in pictures seen by the inner eye.
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8. "RE: Having a few problems"
 
I had the same problem. After I graduated from college with a Bachelor of Fine Arts dgree I had co-workers, family members, and friends all wanting me to do things for free. I did one painting for a coworker in oils that took me about 80 hours. Turned out really nice. She cried when I gave it to her. Then she gave me $30 and said thanks. I quit after that and just recently started again, after 8 years of doing nothing creative....well except having 2 kids.

I have a brochure with my prices and requirements. When family, friends, etc. ask me to draw something I give them a brochure and tell them I am pretty booked up right now but if you decide you want a drawing let me know a month in advance.

When I get in a slump or have difficulty getting that perfect eye or nose, etc., I grab a crayon and my sons coloring books and scribble like a mad woman. I don't even stay in the lines....oooohhhh such a rebel am I!!!

It helps release a lot of tension and loosens me up to go back and just draw because I enjoy it.

I only have one rule about art, if you are not enjoying the process, stop! Go have a beer, glass of wine, watch a good movie, whatever... Start again when you are in a frame of mind to enjoy it....it will always turn out to be your best work!!

Thank you
D.L. Hesse
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9. "RE: Having a few problems"
 
thanks for the advice, thats what I have decided to do. When I am feeling as though I am rushing just to finish it or I am not in the mood to draw, I go and do something else and don't touch it again until I'm happy with what I'm doing. It's made a huge difference.

Thanks for the advice
Jenni

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10. "RE: Having a few problems"
 
Boy you can feel the Love here !!


 


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