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Study and Teach Fine Art Techniques Charcoal and Pencil Drawings - Techniques by J.D. Hillberry Topic #273

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verdaccio

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Dec-21-02, 03:35 AM ()

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21. "RE: head study for portrait drawing/later painting, using antonovs 7layer"

and with the backgound very crudely cut out, rather hacked, with photoshop in like two minutes. this throws off this composition, but in the drawing the figure dont touch the edges.

thoughts?

jai guru deva om

Avantar
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Dec-21-02, 04:30 AM ()

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22. "RE: head study for portrait drawing/later painting, using antonovs 7layer"

Its looking really good so far.

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verdaccio

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Dec-21-02, 04:38 AM ()

23. "RE: head study for portrait drawing/later painting, using antonovs 7layer"

thanks, but what do you think about the background? cabinet in or out?

this color sketch has some serious issues. but its way better than my typical small scale human face frankenstein jobs. i cant control paint unless i have some room. even drawings. i need big. i dont know how you guys do it.

jai guru deva om

Avantar
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Dec-21-02, 04:43 AM ()

24. "RE: head study for portrait drawing/later painting, using antonovs 7layer"

Im not sure. I never painted myself. Plus I suck when it come to composition

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Robert T
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Dec-21-02, 11:30 AM ()

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25. "RE: head study for portrait drawing/later painting, using antonovs 7layer"

I think the cropped drawing with just the two figures looked better to me than the original photo. As for the two color studies, the one with the cabinet did look better than the blank background, however, maybe a background with some tones and colors like the cabinet without actually depicting the cabinet would work.

I wish I could be more helpful in this area, but it is also one of my weak points too. Maybe you could seek out some help from Alexei or another forum that has more experienced painters. I may suggest you try Rob Howards Cennini forum as there are lots of experienced folks there. www.studioproducts.com

Bob

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verdaccio

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Dec-21-02, 04:53 PM ()

26. "RE: head study for portrait drawing/later painting, using antonovs 7layer"

thanks bob i will check out that forum. i think i will take your suggestion ofr only indicating the cabinet very subtly with tonal variations. after looking through hundreds of portraits, by masters ad some contemporary artists such as adrian gottlieb whose work i admire greatly (do a search on him. he does very fine figures and portraits using old italian master techniques), i think that an overly detailed rendering of the ohto background would really hurt the piece.

thank yo for helping me make that decision before i started toning the drawing.

does anyone know a good reference ofr the anatomy of childrens' mouths? or a few paintings from the 17th-19th centuries of children?
thanks

jai guru deva om

absolute

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Dec-21-02, 06:55 PM ()

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27. "RE: head study for portrait drawing/later painting, using antonovs 7layer"

this is beautifull.,..i understand why you wonder about the background cause that almost seems to be the hardest part..finishing,...but wich ever way you go i think the important thing is that you nailed the likeness of them. i like black backgrounds cause they look rich,..but seeing the background you made i cant really decide wich id want either.
honor has such a cute expression i dont think the background will be very noticeable either way.

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verdaccio

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Dec-21-02, 09:31 PM ()

28. "RE: head study for portrait drawing/later painting, using antonovs 7layer"

thanks. the black backfground is really just the void left after i cropped the thing out in photoshop. the painted background would be dark warm umber cooled down with prussian blue. it would be darker on the light side, and ligther on the dark (left) side.

thanks everyone.

jai guru deva om

Phil
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Dec-21-02, 10:50 PM ()

29. "RE: head study for portrait drawing/later painting, using antonovs 7layer"

Hi verdaccio,

So many questions I think I can answer two

Firstly the background issue. I think the cabinet may detract from the focus on the subjects. I am a naturally nosy person so I started to look to see what kind of stuff you kept in there . On the other hand that does keep the viewer interested but overall I think less "busy", so just suggesting the cabinet, as has been said already, may be the way to go, but that is just my opinion.

Secondly, I think by it's nature drawing with a pencil allows greater detail at a small size due to the fact the tool is small, pointy and so therefore can be worked tightly. I personally find it easier to control on a smaller size than larger, unless of course there is a lot of imagery contained within the drawing being executed, this then obviously allows for a larger scale.

And don't worry about being chatty asking questions. "Talking your toughts and ideas out aloud" so to speak, aids the learning process.

It's interesting to see the various processes you are going through to get to the finished product, so different from the way I work.

Phil

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pencilartist

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Dec-21-02, 11:26 PM ()

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30. "RE: head study for portrait drawing/later painting, using antonovs 7layer"

Hi verdaccio. Is this an oil painting? I love it. I think that you should write a book as well. You have a great eye for detail. What do you think? Thanks for posting all of WIPS so that we can see how you go about drawing.

Toby

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