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Study and Teach Fine Art Techniques Charcoal and Pencil Drawings - Techniques by J.D. Hillberry Topic #253
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SGBear98
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Dec-13-02, 09:31 PM ()
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"WIP- need help with a background"
 
   This is for my mom for christmas...not much time left and I have no clue what to do for a background...if any. This is a drawing of her favorite photo she took on her first mission trip to Mexico. This is a homless man with a bag tied over his shoulders. (the dark around the edges is from my scanner)

any help would be grateful thank you.





 
Phil
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Dec-13-02, 09:40 PM ()
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1. "RE: WIP- need help with a background"
 
I think it stands up pretty well on it's own.

This is an obvious question but I have to ask, if you think it needs a background, can't you use the one in the photo?

Whatever you finally decide your mum will love it , I guarantee.

Phil

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SGBear98
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Dec-13-02, 09:48 PM ()
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2. "RE: WIP- need help with a background"
 
   Actually I am not sure what it needs at the moment. but the photo background I thought took away from him. The idea of just blank never occurred to me... thank you.





 
Robert T
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Dec-13-02, 09:56 PM ()
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3. "RE: WIP- need help with a background"
 
Hi SG,

I have to agree with Phil in that the way it is now is just fine. Definetely don't use the photo's background.

You could bring it into Photoshop or similar and fool with different backgrounds to see what it would look like before taking a chance in ruining such a fine piece of work.

Bob


Greetings from Delaware


 
Phil
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Dec-13-02, 09:59 PM ()
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4. "RE: WIP- need help with a background"
 
I know you said you had'nt finished yet, and you may be getting around to this. But, whether you do decide to keep it blank or not, I think it would nice if you continue the drawing down past his arms, he looks like he has been amputated at the waist at the moment

Phil

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Robert T
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Dec-13-02, 10:13 PM ()
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5. "RE: WIP- need help with a background"
 
Quote ... he looks like he has been amputated at the waist at the moment

Phil


No, no, no. Phil... He is sitting in a snowbank!!! (SG is taking lessons from JD)

Bob

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Phil
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Dec-13-02, 10:16 PM ()
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6. "RE: WIP- need help with a background"
 
..... lol........ DAMN!.......How did I miss that one.. Lol

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SGBear98
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Dec-13-02, 10:22 PM ()
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7. "RE: WIP- need help with a background"
 
   ick. I really didn't want to go past his arms. But I don't want him to look "amputated" either.

I just worry I will run out of time. (which makes the blank background a fantastic time saving idea.)

I guess I have a few more days to toss the idea around though huh?


 
mike sibleymoderator
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Dec-14-02, 01:57 PM ()
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8. "RE: WIP- need help with a background"
 
If a pictorial background has nothing to say about the subject then it doesn't need one. But your scanner has given me an idea...

There's nothing wrong in just leaving the background blank but, if it bothers you at all, may I suggest that you add subtle tone to the outer edges (as your scanner has done) then bring it in the centre, fading to white as you do so? This would serve to lead the eye in and concentrate on the subject. A sort of vignette but in negative.

I think you've done a great job with the drawing - it says so much more than the photo!

MIKE

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mike sibleymoderator
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Dec-14-02, 02:12 PM ()
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9. "RE: WIP- need help with a background"
 
You could lose the "amputated" look (if you think it exists - I'm not sure) by removing some tone from the lower edge of his right arm. His left arm is devoid of tone there and exists as just line, which gives the impression that you have deliberately faded it out. If you do the same to the right arm the emphasis will move to his hands.

I think the abrupt stong tone/white junction under his right arm that's giving the truncated look.

But this is just nit-picking -- You've got so much emotion captured in there - I see a homeless man wearing a bag for protection but with his dignity intact. It's a great drawing and growing on me by the minute!

MIKE

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Dec-18-02, 05:37 PM ()
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10. "RE: WIP- need help with a background"
 
if you can, print out a couple copies copy of it to mess with backgrounds.

btw i dont think it looks amputated, although it could be made to be more fluid by taking some detail out of the arms and letting the form drift a bit into sketchiness. the viewer will find that transition less jarring.

for backgrounds, i might try (on the copy) a chiaroscouro, the drakest part on the light side of the form, with the sleeves also plunged in shadow at their furthest parts from the viewer. this will make the head and hands pop out beautifuly. if you like it, you can render it o the original.

it is very well rendered. nice work.

jai guru deva om


 


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