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Study and Teach Fine Art Techniques Charcoal and Pencil Drawings - Techniques by J.D. Hillberry Topic #117

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Studio224

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Oct-22-02, 12:09 PM ()

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"Help!!!"

Hi,

I am drawing the portrait of this little girl:

And I am wondering how I should draw the fabric of her dress:

Of course this is an enlargment, my drawind is not big enough to show every little losange of this fabric... so how can I give the illusion of this fabric? With little soft dots? Negative drawing?

I'll try to post the drawing as it is as soon as I can get my scanner to work!

Anne-Claire Tavares
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WarHorseLover

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Oct-22-02, 12:18 PM ()

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1. "RE: Help!!!"

Anne-Claire,
I personally would go about it with stippling using a tortillion rubbed in graphite (if that is your medium). I have done spurs that had diamond cut outs and stippled getting the same feel/look as the original. Hope this may help.
Stephanie

MHK

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Oct-22-02, 12:21 PM ()

2. "RE: Help!!!"

What size is your drawing? I think maybe sometimes its better to forget the texture if it jeopardizes the contrast, you know what I mean? Even the paper itself may cause pattern like that (depends on the paper). But, I dont know anything about "negative drawing" etc. so if you have tried it earlier and it looks fine then go for it

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Studio224

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Oct-22-02, 01:09 PM ()

3. "RE: Help!!!"

Hi Stephanie, I have never try stippling before, I'll give it a try...

MHK, my drawing is 11'' x 16'', I have already thought about loosing the pattern... but somehow it seems like running away from the problem...

Anne-Claire Tavares
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Marc Forest

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Oct-22-02, 01:28 PM ()

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4. "RE: Help!!!"

The only other suggestion I could make would be to try Rubbing, Finding something with that pattern like a piece of burlap, put it under your paper and add graphite over the top picking up the pattern of the bulap. I've never tried it! I would use a piece of scrap paper first to see if the results are what your looking for.

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MHK

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Oct-22-02, 02:47 PM ()

5. "RE: Help!!!"

Steph, ignoring the texture does not necessarily mean running away from the problem. I think that contrast and tones are more important than extruding texture that pops up on your face. I have noticed that among children and other "not so skilled" drawers so often texture comes first and causes weird looking surfaces where actual tones are lost somewhere... If you are going to make small details (as this pattern here) be sure that it does not ruin everything else. But again, I dont know nothing about the subject so dont listen to me if you know whasup

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Studio224

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Oct-22-02, 05:41 PM ()

6. "RE: Help!!!"

By the way, M. Kataja, I forgot that I wanted to tell you what was "negative drawing". If you want to draw a tree for instance, you don't draw the branches, the trunk etc, you draw around them, you draw the background, the shadows... etc...

Basically you draw around the shape that you want to show, like here: http://www.sibleyfineart.com/tips006.htm

It can give a different and interesting depth to drawings /paintings etc....

Anne-Claire Tavares
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absolute

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Oct-23-02, 00:58 AM ()

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7. "RE: Help!!!"

you picked a very good photo to draw from,..i like the way the skin is way darker then the dress,you can add graphite to it without having to worry about going too dark.,..im not sure how much detail is in the photograph so you might be able to get away without adding any texture at all to the dress and just look for shadows....,..but it sounds like you are working pretty big.

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Studio224

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Oct-23-02, 05:14 AM ()

8. "RE: Help!!!"

... in fact the photo is way lighter! I did punch up the contrast to better see the shadows... She is not dark like that. She is like this:

So I did her face much lighter that in the previous photo. There is a red spot on her right cheek that I am not drawing (she had burned herself a few days before, poor baby...).

Looking at all these photos, I think I might as well loose the fabric and keep the shadows, because I don't want to draw attention to the dress!

Absolute, you think I am drawing too big?

Anne-Claire Tavares
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