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Subject: "Overworked?"  
         
Study and Teach Fine Art Techniques Animal and Wildlife drawing with Mike Sibley. Topic #51
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"Overworked?"
 
For those of you who have checked out my website you have probably already viewed this drawing. I am interested in what you all think. I would like to do another bird drawing because I really enjoyed doing this. I was told by an expert wildlife artist that I have too much detail and that it's overworked. I was curious what you all thought.


Thank you
D.L. Hesse
www.artinpencil.com





 
Linda1
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Mar-18-03, 01:31 AM ()
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1. "RE: Overworked?"
 
Enia

You know, I don't know where this expert wildlife artist's standpoint is, but from where I'm standing this is just beautiful.
First thing that struck me about it was the realism - almost as if I were wearing a pair of those three-dimensional glasses or something. I love the contrast of values and the lines.
Awesome work as you always do.


Best Wishes
Enia


 
mike sibleymoderator
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Mar-18-03, 08:40 AM ()
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2. "RE: Overworked?"
 
This is a really difficult subject and I appreciate the work that has gone into it but I think your Wildlife Expert is right to some extent.

This Ring-necked Pheasant is a bird I know very well and have photographed on many occassions. For me, the over-riding, attention grabbing aspect of the bird is the smoothness of the feather covering and the glorious sheen. The detail is apparent but not very obvious. In cases such as this, as I know from personal experience, there is a very fine dividing line between reality and over-detailing that results in coarseness.

In some lighting conditions I think your approach might be quite acceptable but you have one very strong shadow running from the breast to just past the eye. If the lighting is strong enough to create this shadow then I'd expect a lot of reflection and shine to come off the feathers, which in turn would describe the roundness of the body.

The detailing, extending from the top of the body to under the belly, is drawn with a consistent tonal range and clarity which creates a flat appearance. In reality the detail should not be apparent as it it curves over the back, around the crop or under the breast. The fact that the bird is stretching a leg and a wing might explain the coarse feathering of the wing covert but this shouldn't affect the body feathering.

In my opinion this a drawing that probably took control of you to the extent that you became detail-orientated and lost sight of the three-dimensional form.... which is not to say that I don't like it...because I do. I just think it's strong on design rather than realism.

MIKE

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Mar-20-03, 12:58 PM ()
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3. "RE: Overworked?"
 
If the detail is a bit much in this onethen it should make the next one less time consuming. I really enjoy your work.
vickie


 
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4. "RE: Overworked?"
 
   I slightly agree with Mike. This looks kind of stiff, thick feather pattern gives no life to the bird the way it really should, it demands some light reflective elements to reveal the nature of the light (or something ) I was also thinking the shadow... there should be more or none IMHO.

But I still have to say I respect the efforts you Donna have put in it, these highly detailed things should be seen and critizised in real life. I know jpegs tend to distort especially this kind of drawings. Keep doin birds, the next ones going to be fabulous i believe

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Mar-27-03, 11:34 PM ()
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5. "RE: Overworked?"
 
Hey thanks everyone for the feedback. I definitely see what you, Mike and Matti, are talking about. This was the second drawing I did when I got back into drawing. I wanted it to look exactly like the photograph, and it does....flat!

One of these days I want to do a series of hummingbirds. It's on my list. I have learned so much since I drew this pheasant and the input you all have given will definitely be useful in the future!!!

Thank you
D.L. Hesse
www.artinpencil.com


 
mike sibleymoderator
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Mar-30-03, 07:46 PM ()
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6. "RE: Overworked?"
 
The older I get the more I think this over-detailing is a phase you need to go through. It's a positive not a negative.

In the same way that a clown on a trapeze has first to become an expert at his craft - the same applies here. You must first become absorbed by the detail - aware of every small element - before you can begin to confidently discard intrusive, unbalancing and unnatural content and aim at an overall appearance that uses detail to achieve realism but is not a slave to it.

MIKE

www.SibleyFineArt.com
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