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Study and Teach Fine Art Techniques Animal and Wildlife drawing with Mike Sibley. Topic #46
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"added to my composition,almost done with bird"
 
hello everyone,i took the advice on lowering the boat on the horizon to try and make it smaller looking and i found a photo of a dolphin coming out of the water,..just a small one.and also i want to put a small swimming dog in but cant find a photo that looks right,so i might just add a bird?..the reason im doing this is to see what looks right putting different size photos together in one drawing...i think already its looking sort of like she is standing in front of a huge sighn or something?....like a picture of something on a wall behind her?...this has happened to me before...how am i going to make it not look like a flat wall behind her?
in the original photo the horizon line is much lower...i think that might be part of it.
anyhow the negative drawing idea works much better then i normally would have done things i just shaded around the water thats splashing on the boat...then i dabbed my eraser on the edges of it.
the boat still needs work,im just getting sloppy so i took a break to post this

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1. "RE: added to my composition"
 
  
Quote hello everyone,i took the advice on lowering the boat on the ....like a picture of something on a wall behind her?...this has happened to me before...how am i going to make it not look like a flat wall behind her?

Jim,

My suggestion would be to perhaps make the wall like a stone breakewater. Rough cut rocks, not too regular. Make an interesting background without detracting from the main focus.

I also think you have enough happening in the drawing - you don't really need the dolphin or dog. The focus is the lovely bathing beauty, the boat sort of points to her (I am a still not sure about the pointy bit stabbing her in the head)... I tend to think adding a dog or dolphin would create confusion in the compostion. But then, I could be totally wrong!}>

I'll be interested to see what you do to this next!

Linda Weil
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Mar-15-03, 09:49 AM ()
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2. "RE: added to my composition"
 
Those coastal rocks are an inspiration! They stop the eye traveling out of the picture and contain all the elements really well. And your negatively-drawn spray is excellent.

I understand your concern about the girl being a part of the picture. My suggestion would be make sure the girl is standing in the water. It looks as though you are intending this? I certainly wouldn't draw any more leg than is already showing and maybe a little less - you need enough water showing beneath her legs to tell the viewer that she is part of the scene.

And keep the Dolphin far enough behind her so that she wouldn't be expected to react to it. Where you are suggesting it should be would be about right (although perhaps a little smaller). It's direction works as well - it counteracts the right-facing boat and girl - as does the fact that she's not not looking forward but at the viewer.

...and I agree with Linda - I think the dog would be over-kill

MIKE

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Mar-15-03, 09:45 PM ()
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3. "RE: added to my composition"
 
i think you guys were right about the dog especially seeing how i struggled with the bird so much,.. i didnt want to try and do any more,..the branch he is on is my own imagination at work so i know it doesnt look like a real branch too much.ive been adjusting the lightness manually instead of auto color wich is WAYYY too dark ,i made a few different scans so wichever one you think looks the best is exactly how the drawing
looks <---evil grin,.
.but it is hard to match the tones, the smallest scan looks better then my drawing so i made a close up so you can see more of what it really looks like instead of how i wish it looked.,i forgot to even mention what kind of paper this is
im a little ashamed to say that its just crayola water color paper,but its the smoothest thing i have besides bristol smooth wich i just dont like at all,...the last time i tried to use bristol smooth i dropped the pad on my foot and broke 3 toes,(kidding),,,but its just too hard or something?..i cant get a feel for it,like drawing on a rock,..but it would be exellent for blending,
the paper this is on is really smooth but it still grabs the graphite enough for me to do things without blending.
thanks for all of your ideas and tips on this one wich still isnt done till i look it over a lot,some things look strange but i think if i shrink it down some it wont look as strange on my site.
----JIM

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4. "RE: added to my composition"
 
I was going to suggest the baby pirate with the eye patch you posted on the other board would be absolutely perfect...looks like I am too late....oh well

Phil

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5. "RE: added to my composition"
 
instead of doing a long drawn out w-i-p ...i wrote in my own best way how i shade things on my site if anyone is bored to death its called "jims 2 cents"...its not a tuitorol by any means..its more of a confused explanation of how i draw in my own words...have fun.

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Mar-15-03, 10:18 PM ()
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6. "RE: added to my composition"
 
phil you must have posted that the same time i posted the above...i didnt even have a link for my second page on my site..i think its up now?

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7. "RE: added to my composition,almost done with bird"
 
Nice work Jim..I tried the crayola paper several months ago...I liked the effortless blending but had troubl layering the pencil.Have you run into this problem?
vickie


 
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8. "RE: added to my composition,almost done with bird"
 
ive only used this paper a little ,its a big switch from the more harsh strathmore i was using...with this i dont really need a 2h ,its so smooth i almost need a 2b to shade lighter stuff,and layers..its a really smooth soft paper,...im looking for something with better quality besides the bristol extra hard.

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9. "RE: added to my composition"
 
Hi Jim, just my 2 cents, each component individually great drawing, but I find the work, overall a little busy, lots going on, the bird on the branch divides the image, the boat and girl seem enough, I think the idea of a rock breakwall was good. I'm also not sure about the pointy thing at her head, ..... Lynne

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