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Study and Teach Fine Art Techniques Oil Painting Techniques by A. L. Antonov Topic #3
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"My very first attempt at oil painting.."
 
Obviously the work of a beginner.. This was done started after I got frustrated with drawing the spray on my dolphin that I posted in the drawing forum.. My only experience with painting had been with model aircraft.. (enamels and acrylics). I had never mixed paint before, and had only given 1art.com a cursory overview.. Sorry for all of the disclaimers.. I wanted to see what oils were like.. so I went out bought a Windsor and Newton set, etc.. and started.. "The main thing is to begin" so I did.. It took me two years to "complete" if you could call it that.. The colors are a bit garish.. Blues too bright as compared to the photo I was workign with, etc.. but I guess my reason for posting is to get some feedback.. I don't have anywhere else to get what I feel would be "good" feedback..

Mark







 
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1. "RE: My very first attempt at oil painting.."
 
Good for a beginner!
Sorry I don't have more to say, I'm just a bit distracted with other things right now.

- Melissa (aka: Honey Bee)


 
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2. "RE: My very first attempt at oil painting.."
 
Thanks, Melissa..

Mark


 
Carl T
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3. "RE: My very first attempt at oil painting.."
 
Outstanding first painting! Very good form and color intensity control on the Light House and Dock. As to improvments, a bit more color variety in the blues and the orange along with some lower color intensities in the shadows. Avoid lining up a significant portion of things in the background with things on another distance plane (like the bottom of the clouds and the dock railing).

The painting shows good drawing skills and brush controll. Do another painting now, paying extra attention to color intensity that mutes in the shadow and distance. Have fun, you're off to a great start.


 
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4. "RE: My very first attempt at oil painting.."
 
Thanks Carl.. One of the most difficult things for me during this was getting the correct colors.. I bought Frank Covino's book "The Fine Art of Portraiture" and need to study it thoroughly.. I also want to get some of Alexei's videos.. but right now books are easier to come by..

I did it in stages.. but I didn't really understand the 7 layer technique at that time.. well, I sort of did, but I really didn't see how it all came together. All I had was a print out of 1art.com's lesson on line.. I went out and bought a few oil painting books.. but soon threw them away when I compared the quality of work in them to Alexei's.. That and they all were really big on mixing the paint on the canvas.. scumbling(!!?).. This is where my model building sense took over.. So I let one color dry before I used another..

Now I have a bit better understanding.. but I really need to get one of those videos and watch it a few times..

Covino talked about two techniques in his book "Verdaccio" ? and Grisaille? I think.. The point was if I remember correctly you have several "problems" to solve when oil painting.. shape, shadows & tone, and color.. if I remember them correctly.. I think it said that these techniques break up those three problems in discrete steps.. So I started painting a cardinal (same picture as my drawing in the drawing forum) and started painting it only in shades of gray.. I think this was the "grisaille" technique.. I'll try to get it scanned in.. and I'd love to hear what you think.. The problem even here is that I had difficulty mixing the various shades of gray (only 10 of them).

Well, with the ten shade gray scale I pre-mixed up a batch and then put each shade in a small 1 oz jar.. trying to keep it from drying out.. and then I saw Alexei had a 20 shade gray scale!

I guess the point was that after I get the shading correct, I'd go back and add the colors.. but I have a lot to learn about mixing paint first..

Mark


 
Carl T
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5. "RE: My very first attempt at oil painting.."
 
Mark,
Well it's an exceptional first piece! I have Franks book somewhere here in the Studio if it hasn't walked elsewhere (which I think it has). It's a very helpful one.

Shape, shadow, tone, color. Under the heading of color would be intensity ,as well as hue, warm and cold. Non-intense tends more toward gray or neutrality.

If I remember correctly, Covino was into what he called "controlled painting" where color intensity was altered with the addition of a gray on the same value scale as the color. An interesting and useful method with it's own look. So if you want to mute a blue that is a value of #3 on the scale, you add a value #3 gray to it untill it's intensity lessens the desired amount. This is different than mixing a complimentary color in to neutralize it.

That's something worth playing with in your next piece. grayer as space recedes, and grayer in the shadow areas (now I don't mean gray color, I mean less intense color from the addition of gray). Some warm and cool color also, most especially in the larger color areas.

Covino's Grissaille has similarities to the dead layer.

I haven't gotten one yet (I've only just discovered this site), but getting one of ALexie's videos would likely be a big help. While it can certainly be done, learning from a book is a tough road. I say that even though I have a whole wall of them. You can pick up things that aren't thought to be written from watching. I have stumbled about on my own for the most part, often taking a good deal of time re-inventing the wheel.

As for color, time, painting, mixing, and doing up some color charts experimenting with tints, compliment mixes, and gray additions, will eventually get you there.

Heck man start another painting,
Carl


 
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6. "RE: My very first attempt at oil painting.."
 
   Mark:
I made my first attempt 5 years ago and it looked worse than yours. I have continued to study hard on my own since and also have attended a couple of worshops.
Let me share with you what I have learned in the last few years:
There are two parts in becoming a painter, one is to develop the craft and the other to develop your Art. It's pretty much like learning to be a writer, first you have to acquire an outstanding ability to read and write in your language and later your will attept to put your ideas on paper. Painting is no different, first you have to learn the craft even when your artistic perception isn't fully developed. Your artistic expression will grow latter. A good way to learn besides reading and experimenting, is to visit Art museums and repeating Maestro Antonov words, "Stay away from Modern Art". Accustom yourself to see good classical realistic works, that will eventually enter your unconscious and someday will help you to judge your own attempts at painting.
It's like learning to cook too, your tongue will tell you if what you are cooking tastes good or bad. Lastly, begin painting simple things from life, because first you have to train your eye sight to SEE like a painter, later you will be able to use photographs but as reference only.

tito


 


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